| spevack | testing 1 2 3 | 11:57 |
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| susmit | hello everyone....hope you all are doing fine. | 11:58 |
| spevack | doing fine, how are you susmit | 11:58 |
| * lcafiero is well, thank you. you? | 11:58 | |
| susmit | great. | 11:58 |
| fugolini | hi | 11:59 |
| * kital is here | 11:59 | |
| susmit | fugolini, hi | 11:59 |
| spevack | hi everyone | 11:59 |
| kital | hello | 11:59 |
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| jds2001 | so who's all here? | 12:00 |
| spevack | Max Spevack | 12:00 |
| susmit | SusmitShannigrahi | 12:00 |
| * lcafiero is Larry cafiero | 12:00 | |
| fugolini | Francesco Ugolini | 12:00 |
| * ke4qqq is David Nalley | 12:00 | |
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| red_alert | Sandro Mathys | 12:01 |
| kital | JoergSimon | 12:01 |
| spevack | who are we missing? | 12:02 |
| fugolini | As I know thomas cannion couldn't be here | 12:02 |
| fugolini | Rodrigo is missing too | 12:02 |
| kital | Rodrigo? | 12:02 |
| ke4qqq | Rodrigo? | 12:02 |
| kital | ;) | 12:02 |
| jds2001 | so hector gonzalez is missing? | 12:03 |
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| fugolini | i think so | 12:03 |
| spevack | Right, 7 candidates present, Hector, Rodrigo, and Thomas missing. | 12:03 |
| jds2001 | does anyone know hector's irc nick? | 12:03 |
| spevack | that accounts for all 10 on the nominations page | 12:03 |
| fugolini | mh, I think in the nomination page there was the ircname | 12:04 |
| kital | hagr182 | 12:05 |
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| fugolini | yes, | 12:05 |
| jds2001 | ok, so let's get started. | 12:05 |
| jds2001 | i'll be taking questions from #fedora-townhall-public and pasting them in here. | 12:05 |
| fugolini | ? | 12:06 |
| lcafiero | ? | 12:06 |
| * spevack votes that we drop the ?, !, etc stuff and just talk :) | 12:06 | |
| jds2001 | indeed, im not familair with that sort of thing :) | 12:06 |
| lcafiero | Do we answer in any particular order, or just answer? | 12:06 |
| jds2001 | just answer | 12:06 |
| fugolini | There will be a order ? or just who want to answer take the voice? | 12:06 |
| fugolini | I mean FAmSCo candidates | 12:07 |
| spevack | in previous town halls, people just spoke up as they had something to say | 12:07 |
| fugolini | great | 12:07 |
| lcafiero | thank you | 12:07 |
| spevack | and we don't move on to the next question until the moderator agrees that everyone who wanted to say something had a chance | 12:07 |
| spevack | and each candidate does not have to answer each question, unless they want to. | 12:07 |
| jds2001 | our first questions comes from inode0 | 12:07 |
| jds2001 | Especially for those running for re-election, roughly what has been your attendance at FAmSCo meetings? Do you find them to be a productive use of your time? If not how might they be improved this term? | 12:07 |
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| fugolini | ! | 12:08 |
| spevack | just go ahead, francesco :) | 12:08 |
| fugolini | I think FAmSCo meeting had an importance in the moment there was to take a decision or to show the current situation of the project | 12:08 |
| lcafiero | This is my first time running, and as a relative newcomer (only an ambassador since May), my attendance is usually dictated by my class workload on Tuesday nights. I have found them to be productive, on the whole. | 12:09 |
| fugolini | I could notice in the past the it created problems, only because the time was wrong, but that's a problem we can't solve. | 12:09 |
| * ke4qqq notes for the record that he isn't running for reelection. | 12:10 | |
| spevack | Unless something like a business trip prevents it, I try to attend every meeting. If I can't attend, I try to send a summary of what I am responsible for (budget stuff) to the list. Overall attendance at FAMSCo meetings has been less that what I think is optimal. We might have to do a better job of picking a time. FAMSCo (more than most groups) really has people spread across a huge number of time zones. | 12:10 |
| lcafiero | Also, being a student in a bash scripting class allows me to have an IRC channel open all evening on Tuesdays, so I'm generally available. | 12:10 |
| kital | famsco meeting was for me as non famsco member also a place where Ambassadors can discuss and point things out to famsco to become a fast decission | 12:10 |
| spevack | I am hopeful that when we usher in the new FAMSCo, we'll have an easier time finding a meeting time that works for everyone. | 12:10 |
| susmit | Though I am a first timer, I think we can put up the agenda and if unable to attend, communicate our views beforehand by mail. | 12:10 |
| fugolini | +1 | 12:11 |
| ke4qqq | so meeting times for distributed groups are hard - and judging from the irc logs - I wonder if changing meetings to monthly might not encourage better attendance and get more accomplished | 12:12 |
| spevack | I think the nature of famsco's business is such that there isn't necessarily a lot to discuss in a meeting format every week. | 12:13 |
| lcafiero | There may be disadvantages to that ke4qqq -- not that I'm a fan of a life of meetings -- but if you miss one for some reason you have to wait a month to resolve an issue in the next one. | 12:13 |
| ke4qqq | monthly meetings would also mean a more full agenda - which would likely encourage more participation because hopefully at least one topic would matter over a month. | 12:13 |
| spevack | ke4qqq might have a point. I could see trying an every-other-week meeting schedule, but it would require strong leadership from the entire team to ensure that topics are handled on-list by individual owners. | 12:13 |
| ke4qqq | lcafiero: I don't think meetings are the only place for resolution. | 12:14 |
| spevack | ke4qqq: i'm not sure i'd want to drop from weekly to monthly all in one shot :) | 12:14 |
| * lcafiero seems to be the loyal opposition on this issue and naturally will go with the will of the group | 12:14 | |
| red_alert | I think 7 people can discuss well over the mailing list and that irc meetings are not necessary very often | 12:14 |
| susmit | two meets a month? | 12:14 |
| jds2001 | can i move on to the next question? | 12:14 |
| lcafiero | +1 | 12:14 |
| spevack | jds2001: yeah, we're not going to make a decision on this right now | 12:15 |
| fugolini | from my side yes | 12:15 |
| jds2001 | herlo asks "To begin with, I want to know what you think is good about FAmSCo and what direction it should take in the coming year. I also want you to address what you think could be improved, things like communication, mentoring and budget are valuable. What else would you like to improve? | 12:15 |
| spevack | I am proud of the growth in regional leadership that Ambassadors has seen this year, and I think FAMSCo understood the vision we were trying to create. | 12:16 |
| fugolini | Well, I think first of all FAmSCo has to be more confident with the localization process, starting a more-in-depth collaboration with local contacts, and working on a case-by-case criteria (it should help relation with the whole community). | 12:17 |
| lcafiero | Communication is a strong point of FAmSCo, as far as I can tell. I also think that mentoriing should be a high priority. FAmSCo top function should be facilitating the work ambassadors do in all areas. | 12:17 |
| spevack | We've had more events this year than past years, though I don't know whether or not FAMSCo deserves credit for that directly. Maybe it's just a coincidence. | 12:17 |
| ke4qqq | enough questions at once there....:) I think FAmSCo is one of the better places that Fedora shows it's global leadership diversity. I think that as the push towards regional leadership has occurred that it's caused some loss of part of the purpose that FAmSCo originally existed for. | 12:17 |
| lcafiero | I would like to work on the mentoring aspect going forward, whether I'm elected or not. | 12:17 |
| spevack | herlo: there are a few areas for improvement. | 12:17 |
| kital | regional leadership = they can react faster and more region specific | 12:17 |
| lcafiero | +1 | 12:17 |
| red_alert | for me, budget is one of the most important points for the next year. like for the FAD EMEA 2008, I'd want to get more potential sponsors to help us with some sort of donations all over the world | 12:18 |
| susmit | FAmSCo, is good for monitoring human as well as other resources. What can be made better is the routing and tracking of human resources. Budget if fine for me. | 12:18 |
| spevack | I think the key for famsco to continue to improve | 12:18 |
| spevack | is going to be more automation. | 12:18 |
| spevack | we've got some automation of the membership process now, thanks in large part to kital. | 12:18 |
| fugolini | +1 | 12:18 |
| lcafiero | There also need to be more cultural sensitivity -- more attention to the different needs and requirements in different cultures | 12:18 |
| spevack | i think we need a better way to track the locations of ambassadors (and fedora contributors overall) than the CountryList page, which is manual. | 12:18 |
| susmit | Also I would like to see some improvement in mentoring. As far as APAC is concerned, we need better mentoring for newbies. | 12:19 |
| lcafiero | This came up in the town hall for the board -- East Asia, according to one person, tends to need more attention. | 12:19 |
| ke4qqq | I think the regional leadership is a great thing. WRT communication - I think that FAmSCo does a good job now of communicating meetings - though I think there is a significant backchannel on the list | 12:19 |
| jds2001 | which leads us in to our next question, if we're ready. | 12:19 |
| lcafiero | +1 | 12:19 |
| fugolini | +1 too | 12:19 |
| susmit | +1 | 12:20 |
| spevack | I think we may need a better way of tracking event reports, i'm not sure whether i'm too harsh or too easy on that particular topic. | 12:20 |
| spevack | sure, +1 | 12:20 |
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| lcafiero | +1 to spevack | 12:20 |
| fugolini | spevack: +100 | 12:20 |
| jds2001 | warren (who couldn't be here, so inode0 asked for him) asks: What can be done by FAmSCo to help increase the spread of Fedora to Asia? The language barrier and translation of the Fedora message to Asian countries might be less natural and take more effort, can you help with this? | 12:20 |
| spevack | let me start... | 12:20 |
| * lcafiero yields to spevack | 12:20 | |
| spevack | as warren says, the biggest problem with Asia is the language diversity. | 12:20 |
| spevack | Harish Pillay is a red hat employee who has the ability to spend some of his time as a regional red hat contact for the APAC community. | 12:21 |
| spevack | I know he's helped me to transfer budget to asia contributors for some events. | 12:21 |
| spevack | I think that India is a separate region, at least the way i think about it, and Ambasssadors and community in India seems very strong. | 12:22 |
| spevack | truthfully, i haven't attended the APAC ambassadors meetings, and I really should. I need to see first hand what thesituation is like. | 12:22 |
| spevack | that' sall for me | 12:22 |
| kital | I can add, that we point new asia Ambassadors to Regional Mentors after approval | 12:22 |
| susmit | As far as India is concerned, it is not. Given resources and if we can mentor properly, this can be very easily done. We desperately need some framework to follow up events and provide something in form of "project work". | 12:23 |
| lcafiero | Having lived in Japan for four years (and having a Japanese wife and daughter), I'd like to help in this effort, and I was unaware there was a problem in Japan until the last town hall. I am impressed with the activity in both India and now Nepal, which is great. | 12:23 |
| spevack | susmit: what do you mean, "it is not"? | 12:24 |
| susmit | "it is not" a problem :) | 12:24 |
| spevack | lcafiero: we'd be glad for the help, i think apac needs to be one of our areas of focus next year. of the main regions of the world where we try to build community, i think we're lagging there. | 12:24 |
| fugolini | I think APAC community is spreading is wings, thank to local contacts leadership. BTW, I think we could improve the mentoring process monitoring and helping | 12:25 |
| ke4qqq | so APAC is really a huge and diverse area - I don't know there is a single solution - there's been some recent list traffic about china. the problem is getting back to jumpstarting community. I think some serious mentoring could be of help even though it's likely going to be done via the net. | 12:25 |
| jds2001 | can we move on? | 12:25 |
| lcafiero | +1 | 12:25 |
| fugolini | I think one of the key role for FAmSCo is to help the local groups to improve their community experience and I'm sure in APAC too | 12:25 |
| ke4qqq | and getting copious resources to jumpstart something - so we do more than pay for swag - we pay expenses for someone to visit various LUGs and colleges and etc. | 12:25 |
| lcafiero | +1 to ke4qqq and fugolini | 12:26 |
| ke4qqq | until regional leadership can do the same thing | 12:26 |
| spevack | yes, i agree also. | 12:26 |
| spevack | jds2001: i think we can move on | 12:26 |
| jds2001 | mdomsch asks on behalf of glezos, do we need more non-profits like Fedora e.V. in EMEA for the Ambassadors to be successful in other regions? | 12:26 |
| spevack | I'll tell you what I like about the FEdora EMEA e.V non-profit. | 12:27 |
| lcafiero | For just EMEA? | 12:27 |
| spevack | It makes my specific job (taking care of the budget) so much easier. | 12:27 |
| spevack | lcafiero: i think glezos means expanding that model elsewher ein the world | 12:27 |
| jds2001 | no, for anywhere in the world. | 12:27 |
| ke4qqq | I would say yes - BUT - there are a lot of hurdles in regions that aren't EMEA - in LATAM it'd likely require scores of non-profits - same in APAC. EMEA is a really unique situation | 12:27 |
| spevack | ke4qqq: because of the currency pretty much all being euros, you mean? | 12:28 |
| lcafiero | To expand this in other regions = +1 | 12:28 |
| ke4qqq | spevack: no | 12:28 |
| ke4qqq | because the non-profit can operate across EMEA | 12:29 |
| ke4qqq | so even in the US | 12:29 |
| ke4qqq | if I start a non-profit | 12:29 |
| spevack | speaking from the point of view of moving budget around, NA and EMEA are the easiest parts of the world to service. The non-profit helps with this quite a bit in EMEA. | 12:29 |
| ke4qqq | I may have to register in every state we do business in | 12:29 |
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| fugolini | ke4qqq: ? | 12:29 |
| spevack | it's not a coincidence, then, that NA and EMEA get more resources spent on them than other regions. I hope that gap starts to close next year. | 12:29 |
| spevack | ke4qqq: thanks for explaining | 12:30 |
| ke4qqq | while I think the np in EMEA is a fabulous vehicle - and would love to have sometihng similar - there are problems with it. | 12:30 |
| lcafiero | ke4qqq is right -- there can be a lot of hurdles in the U.S. because all states have different nonprofit requirements | 12:30 |
| spevack | from my perspective, the US doesn't need it. | 12:30 |
| * lcafiero says it's a huge pain | 12:30 | |
| ke4qqq | And while I am not a international business lawyer.....I'd imagine that transferring money from one corp in latam, to another country would be problematic. | 12:30 |
| ke4qqq | even more so than in the states | 12:31 |
| spevack | ke4qqq: the LATAM money transfers are very painful. Sometimes RH refuses to reimburse me and it just ends up being a personal donation to the fedora project | 12:31 |
| spevack | but i'm working on fixing that directly with Red Hat's LATAM operations for next year. | 12:31 |
| spevack | that is a HUGE priority for me | 12:31 |
| ke4qqq | I think that's a great example of regional leadership that's worked REALLY well - but it's regional I don't think it will work, at least at our current scale, in many other places. | 12:31 |
| susmit | ke4qqq, +1 for APAC too, though India is fine. Thanks to max and Sankarshan no problem with it.. | 12:32 |
| kital | emea e.V. is the natural consequence of a strong regional community - there is also a french community with it´s own NPO and they do also a great job - another main point besides moneytransfer . you can get a booth for free on exhibitions | 12:32 |
| fugolini | NPO are a powerfull tool, but that tool has to be used and it's necessary a lot of work. I think FAmSCo could help figuring out how to implement this one, but at the end it would be necessary a local groups effort to mantain the machine running. This not means FAmSCo shouldn't take care of it, but it would help focusing resources in a more efficient way. | 12:32 |
| spevack | susmit: we need the same setup we have in India in LATAM. Sankarshan reimburses ambassadors in India directly, and the expenses get charged back to the Fedora budget through Red Hat's internals. We don't have a system like that in LATAM... yet ;) | 12:33 |
| spevack | once we do, that problem will basically be solved. | 12:33 |
| susmit | LATAM does not have a RH office? | 12:33 |
| fugolini | Personally I think Fedora EMEA is a great idea, and I'm sure during this year and in the next year too we will see the benefit. But thank to EMEA members that helped making it a reality. | 12:33 |
| jds2001 | are we ready to move on? | 12:34 |
| lcafiero | +1 | 12:34 |
| susmit | +1 | 12:34 |
| fugolini | +1 | 12:34 |
| ke4qqq | +1 | 12:34 |
| kital | +1 | 12:35 |
| spevack | *nod* | 12:35 |
| jds2001 | herlo asks: specific to spevack's point about having a better tool to manage ambassadors, what tools would be helpful to manage more of what FAmSCo does regularly? In other words, what do you see are the points lacking automation currently in Fedora and ambassdors? | 12:35 |
| spevack | maybe we need a trac instance for tickets regarding event budgets, reimbursements, etc. I always fear making the burden on the local ambassadors too high, but maybe we just need to try it. | 12:36 |
| spevack | when someone has to ping me 3 times before i remember to paypal them, that's a burden too :) | 12:36 |
| * jds2001 can set that up for you :) | 12:36 | |
| lcafiero | +1 (not that I've ever pinged spevack for money . . . ) | 12:36 |
| susmit | aha, in my opinion, this, https://fedorahosted.org/shomyu/ and this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/India/WhatDoYouNeed | 12:37 |
| ke4qqq | At times I wish for something along the lines of a CRM package - so that not only can I track opportunities and people that we are talking to and manage upcoming conferences, but after the fact Max can show our RH benefactors in a consolidated place the effects we have. | 12:37 |
| lcafiero | Tracking schedules of events tends to be a black magic that could be tweaked, but other than that . . . . | 12:38 |
| fugolini | We discussed about that idea during this year. At the end I agreed with spevack when he says the tools that actually are set up (email/m-l/wiki ...) are just enough | 12:38 |
| fugolini | The only lack I noticed is that those datas aren't so easy to use to perfom ratios etc | 12:39 |
| * fugolini know he goes a little bit offtopic | 12:39 | |
| spevack | the simple truth is that i personally don't have time (right now) to implement a better system, but if someone else on famsco could help me, and make it a team effort, i think we could make some good progress in the next few months. | 12:39 |
| spevack | i think we've scaled about as far as we can with just the FedoraEvents wiki page. | 12:39 |
| ke4qqq | I don't know that this is a tool - but perhaps even have specific famsco members assigned to regional leadership - so if I am having problems getting something I talk to $famscomembera rahter than waiting for spevack to stop traveling. | 12:39 |
| * ke4qqq doesn't mean to pick on spevack | 12:40 | |
| jds2001 | we ready to move on? | 12:41 |
| lcafiero | +1 | 12:41 |
| spevack | ke4qqq: your point is fair. we can definitely be more efficient. | 12:41 |
| fugolini | +1 | 12:41 |
| jds2001 | inode0 asks I'd like to ask the candidates to speak a bit about the importance of supporting FADs worldwid | 12:41 |
| fugolini | You know I love FAD, just because those are the right place to discuss about long/short term goals | 12:41 |
| * kital think FAD is important = teambuilding + getting things done! | 12:42 | |
| lcafiero | There's discussion about FADs being held separate of existing events or in conjunction with them | 12:42 |
| fugolini | that each region has to accomplish, and that's the right place to meet all together. and +1 with kital | 12:42 |
| fugolini | *for | 12:42 |
| lcafiero | I think they can stand on their own, but I think it helps show the general Linux community the benefits of Fedora's community by holding them with existing events. | 12:42 |
| lcafiero | And we should hold several of them. | 12:42 |
| * lcafiero is a big fan of FAD -- can you tell? | 12:42 | |
| spevack | they are very important. I'm working on budget proposals for the Community Architecture team for next year right now w/ Red Hat, and I'm hopeful that we'll have money to support Fedora Ambassador Day events in all regions, but to rebrand them slightly so that they are not just covering event planning for the next year, but also bringing together all contributors in a region. Sort of like a mini-FUDCon. | 12:43 |
| ke4qqq | So I think that FADs are important for a few reasons - 1. They foster team/relationship building. 2. They allow for brainstorming/developing of strategy. 3. They are great for getting people excited again. | 12:43 |
| * susmit thinks once in a while, separate FAD is nice. | 12:43 | |
| lcafiero | +10 to ke4qqq | 12:43 |
| lcafiero | Forgive me, all, but my daughter is in a parade in Santa Cruz this morning and they're about to get started and I have to leave to be part of the schools support group. | 12:44 |
| spevack | lcafiero: wear your fedora ambassador shirt :) | 12:44 |
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| lcafiero | I will be wearing my red Red Hat hat (baseball cap) | 12:44 |
| spevack | nice | 12:45 |
| susmit | lcafiero, have a nice time. :) | 12:45 |
| lcafiero | But I will check the log and address any issues on the mailing list if that's okay. | 12:45 |
| fugolini | lcafiero: enjoy yourself :) | 12:45 |
| ke4qqq | thanks lcafiero | 12:45 |
| lcafiero | Thanks again for the opportunity at this town hall meeting. | 12:45 |
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| spevack | Here is my vision for reach region of the world: | 12:45 |
| spevack | NA, LATAM, EMEA, India/APAC: | 12:45 |
| spevack | 1 FUDCon per year, per region. | 12:45 |
| susmit | +1 | 12:46 |
| spevack | 1 "FAD"-like event per year, per region | 12:46 |
| spevack | split about 6 months from each other. | 12:46 |
| spevack | the budget planning process that I'm going through for CommArch for next year hopes to implement that vision, or at least get is closer to it. | 12:46 |
| kital | spevack: +1 | 12:46 |
| fugolini | I completely agree. | 12:47 |
| ke4qqq | I know the reasons for not doing this, but given some of the schedules, I almost think that FAD should be tied on to another event in the region (but not FUDcon) | 12:47 |
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| spevack | ke4qqq: yeah, maybe. i think it's best not to mandate how people schedule their FAD. For you guys in NA, it worked well alongside Ohio Linux Fest, for example. | 12:48 |
| spevack | here in EMEA, it was a standalone event. | 12:48 |
| spevack | I don't necessarily care either way, as long as its mission is accomplished. | 12:48 |
| jds2001 | err, apologies for the errant paste | 12:48 |
| ke4qqq | thats a good point - it shouldn't be famsco's to tell when/how to run it. | 12:48 |
| spevack | and the cost of each (FAD EMEA and Ohio Linux Fest + FAD NA) was about the same, so it's ok from a budget POV too | 12:48 |
| kital | FAD is very productive if you make it standalone | 12:48 |
| susmit | kital, because it is focused? | 12:49 |
| kital | because Events are excausting | 12:49 |
| susmit | or something else? | 12:49 |
| kital | and you need the power on the event | 12:49 |
| kital | we have tried twice a FAD on Linuxtag | 12:50 |
| kital | it was not very productive | 12:50 |
| susmit | ok.. | 12:50 |
| spevack | kital: the guys who did FAD at Ohio Linux Fest did a better job of separating FAD from the event than we did separating FAD from LinuxTag. You are right, it didn't work at all at LinuxTag (though LinuxTag itself was great). | 12:51 |
| fugolini | FAD is an event itself, with sessions, activites, social activities. I think FAmSCo will need it too :P | 12:51 |
| jds2001 | we did the FAD the day after, at a separate location. | 12:51 |
| spevack | at LinuxTag, the "FAD" time just ended up being a briefing for what to do at LT. Which was ok. All's well that ends well. | 12:51 |
| spevack | jds2001: that's the way to do it. | 12:51 |
| kital | and Linuxtag is a 5 Day event - you will go nowhere after it ;) | 12:52 |
| spevack | after linuxtag, all you want to do is sleep | 12:53 |
| spevack | jds2001: what's next? | 12:53 |
| jds2001 | i'm seeing nothing else in the queue, someone volunteer something : | 12:53 |
| jds2001 | :) | 12:53 |
| fugolini | candidates commitments? | 12:54 |
| spevack | I think it's important to recognize | 12:54 |
| spevack | that FAMSCo, regardless of who is elected, *must* continue to advocate and support the regional leadership model that we have been building. | 12:54 |
| spevack | It's also important to realize that Ambassadors is greater than just "event organization", which many of the people who speak about mentoring already understand. | 12:55 |
| spevack | that's all for me. | 12:55 |
| jds2001 | we do have one more question from inode0 | 12:55 |
| jds2001 | What do candidates like/dislike about the current Fedora election process? | 12:55 |
| spevack | not enough attack ads :) | 12:55 |
| spevack | i think it's fine, to be honest. | 12:55 |
| kital | i like it | 12:55 |
| * susmit have nothing against it :) | 12:56 | |
| spevack | i've never looked at the result of an election and thought "wow, that's just crazy". I hope we have a high turnout this time, higher than ever before. I'm guessing these townhalls will help with that. | 12:56 |
| * ke4qqq has nothing against it. | 12:56 | |
| fugolini | Like: the town hall and the way those are carries - Dislike: maybe there is the necessity to spread the election | 12:56 |
| jds2001 | which brings us to inode0's next point, that attendance at these has been quite low. | 12:57 |
| jds2001 | what can FAmSCo (or anyone else) do to help improve that? | 12:57 |
| fugolini | I can tell you about my experience this year. | 12:57 |
| ke4qqq | make radical decisions that make people want to change leadership? :) | 12:58 |
| fugolini | I've tried to cover (when I had time) the election process, or better the nomination period, and I notices the number of people was not | 12:58 |
| spevack | ke4qqq: "If I am elected to FAMSCo, I will vote to spend the entire budget on cookies! Come to the town hall meeting to hear more!" :) | 12:59 |
| fugolini | so bad, People replied to the call for candidates. BTW, I think FAmSCo should try to focus on the communication side | 12:59 |
| fugolini | lol | 12:59 |
| jds2001 | spevack: so long as I get some! :) | 12:59 |
| susmit | fugolini, an asterix setup? | 12:59 |
| susmit | :) | 13:00 |
| ke4qqq | so I think some of it is also getting people to take ownership - then they will care more | 13:00 |
| kital | i think it is normal for FOSS communities, to not care too much in bureaucracy and commitees and such stuff | 13:00 |
| fugolini | susmit: maybe :) | 13:00 |
| fugolini | But in a general perspective, the big tournout came when something is not going well | 13:02 |
| ke4qqq | fugolini: +1 - thats why spevacks cookie idea might work :) | 13:02 |
| susmit | or many people are working on something and want to discuss. | 13:02 |
| fugolini | I absolutely agree with that idea :D | 13:02 |
| jds2001 | well, we're right at an hour, and I think that this has been a very productive townhall (all of them). | 13:03 |
| jds2001 | Anything the canddidates would like to say in closing? | 13:04 |
| jds2001 | oh, I'm sorry, we did have one more from fugolini | 13:04 |
| fugolini | it's the same thing I think | 13:04 |
| spevack | thanks to you jds2001 for moderating. Vote for ZOD! | 13:04 |
| fugolini | ehehe | 13:04 |
| fugolini | jds2001: don't worry I think everyone has just well express his position | 13:05 |
| fugolini | I didn't notice the clock | 13:05 |
| spevack | i'd like to thank fugolini for his leadership as famsco chair this past year, as well. | 13:05 |
| jds2001 | oh, OK | 13:05 |
| ke4qqq | In general I don't think you can go wrong voting for any of the candidates - but I'll be happy to take all your votes :) Thanks jds2001 for moderating and others for attending. | 13:05 |
| * spevack has nothing else to add | 13:05 | |
| fugolini | spevack: I want to thank you for your support and the continue work. Like I want to thank kital for keep AMA (membership) up and running. | 13:06 |
| fugolini | and all the other candidates from susmit to ke4qqq, red_alert for their big help in the community | 13:06 |
| * susmit thanks for all the support he or his region from previous FAmSCo. | 13:07 | |
| * susmit thanks for all the support to him or his region from previous FAmSCo. | 13:07 | |
| susmit | :) | 13:07 |
| susmit | fugolini, thanks | 13:07 |
| fugolini | Thank jds2001 to have spent your time moderating the meeting, too :) | 13:07 |
| jds2001 | np, happy to do it! | 13:08 |
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